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Old 01-31-2008, 01:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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You got Lucifael right, actions are evil but deeds were not. Overall, he was good in an evil way, LIKE ME!!!

As for Alexiel, Setsuna, one or the other.
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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What are your thoughts about Setsuna except he was rather egoistic (which I agree), but still had good deeds?
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:14 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Alexiel was a very complex yet straight-forward character. As Setsuna, she was a self-centered guy whom cared only for Sara more than himself. As Alexiel, she was a loving killer whom protected those you actually deserved it. As Setsuna in Alexiel's body, she became a mix of the two.
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Old 02-02-2008, 02:20 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Well, those are just obvious facts, not your own feelings about this character, huh?
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:36 PM   #15 (permalink)
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If I give you my feelings on her, I'd give you the answer to the other half of my siggy. :P
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:42 PM   #16 (permalink)
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lol so you're so serious about that banner x)
okay, then i retreat.
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Old 02-02-2008, 09:46 PM   #17 (permalink)
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lol, It's a play on how people look at good and evil. Lucifael is evil in that he manipulated everything to achieve what he chose. Although he did evil things in that manner, he was still good, in that the end result benefited everyone else. He did many "bad" things, and many "evil" thing, but he was still good.

Alexiel, well, that's another story. Ultimately, she was good, the purest of angels that not even Adam Kadamon could match in purity. I'll explain that one later, but Alexiel killed many, much like Lucifael, and she went against everything she and everyone around her were raised to believe. Unlike Lucifael, she manipulated only when absolutely needed, such as when she manipulated Lucifael into serving her in exchange for his memory. As Setsuna, she was mostly self-centered, but was helped by Sara, Lucifael, Katou, and everyone else, and she overcame that, helping them and many others in ways she wouldn't have done so as Alexiel.

When you look at everything in a complete manner, both Alexiel and Lucifael were good, even if not in a good way.

As for what I said about Adam Kadamon not being as pue as Alexiel, think about it, Alexiel and Rociel are the children of Adam Kadamon, two opposites of one whole. If Rociel can be so dark while so pure, wouldn't you also mean Adam Kadamon is just as dark? Alexiel, on the other hand, never took the role of the dark warrior, she alway benefited the whole, even if in a dark way. How can someone that is part dark be purer than someone that isn't dark at all, while that second person is created of the original?

Alexiel is the purer side of Adam Kadamon, Rociel is the darker side.
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I really, really refuse to see any of the AS characters as just "good one" or "bad one". Good and evil are always mixed up. Differeng them means denying one of the parts of an object or subject. You said yourself, btw, that Adam Kadmon contains the darkness and the light at the same time.

And as for Rosiel... dammit, he really seemed to be classical bad guy, but the last volume totaly ruins his badness and makes him the most tragical creature in AS.

I was glad to read your thoughts, thank you.
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I'm not simply classifying them as being good or evil, they can't really be defined as either, but when you weigh their deeds vs. their actions vs. their intents, I see them as good. ^^

BTW, do you think my ideas of why Lucifael rebelled were accurate?
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Well, I felt as if I disagree with you, when I was reading.

You may have mixed some certain plot moments, but I also need to check them out.

I really don't think he wanted to demonstrate something to someone...

Your thoughts are reasonable, but I may check certain pages later and tell you why I disagree.
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